Arrival & Departure Times Are Here: Let’s Start Every Sit with Clear Expectations

The thing is, THS has repeatedly fallen short on features / functionality that many other companies get right.

Like THS hasn’t been able to manage a calendar feature that works, two factor authentication and so on. These are basics that users shouldn’t have to struggle with, and it’s because THS has weak execution and clear gaps in understanding its users / prospective users.

In product and service design, there’s a basic common concept of “eating your own dog food,” meaning you use your product or service so well that you get it as well or ideally better than your (prospective) users. Unfortunately, THS clearly lacks such practices and talent bar, so it repeatedly shortchanges and inconveniences users.

And that’s likely to continue, because it’s now under private equity pressure to generate significant revenue on a tight timeline. One of the key differences between being owned by PE versus venture capital is, VCs typically operate on longer timelines, so companies have greater runway to figure things out.

Plus, talented product people earn a lot in cash and equity. THS isn’t able to provide such (versus better run companies / ones with greater earning potential). It’s now trapped itself in poor circumstances. Like would a talented product leader work for a company with a relatively weak outlook vs. working somewhere more promising?

And people keep misunderstanding and saying or assuming that $100 million in PE money is lying around for THS to use to improve the business. As it was framed by THS / Mayfair messaging, the $100m was for a management buyout. That likely means the cash went into the pockets of previous investors, cofounders and maybe execs, depending on how equity was distributed starting from the outset. So the question would be, how much are its current owners willing to stake further, on top of $100m.

Private equity firms typically buy businesses that are already functioning relatively well and need stronger operations and management, so they can run optimally. But only good PE firms actually can pull that off. From the outside looking in, Mayfair doesn’t look like that type of firm, and what’s happened under its watch so far is not promising.

The above are some of the key reasons I don’t believe in THS improving services. I think they manage to do many things very badly, which is part of the reason I’m interested even if I don’t plan to renew — from the perspective of business, communications, etc., it’s like watching a slow-motion cautionary tale.

And note, user goodwill and trust also are business concepts, often with dollar values. To erode them is often a form of business malpractice.

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I am in the UK and looking at just UK sits

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Who knows :astonished_face:

Thanks for explaining in technical terms what I intuitively thought.

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Just seen this one in the UK -

Arrival time

Sat 26 Sep 26:9–11 AM

Departure time

Sat 03 Oct 26:1–3 AM

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It does look like a mistake.

If I saw that and liked the rest of the listing, I would apply and ask if the departure times were an error ?

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I agree but I havn’t found anything that interests me yet as detailed under a different thread

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Sadly, THS probably should have stayed a smaller company, because it’s a niche business to find enough people who are actually good volunteer sitters. Now the company is sort of trapped, because of the private equity investment and the push to produce significant returns.

That happens with some businesses, unfortunately. Just today, I read about a company in another industry that was previously acquired by private equity and has been shut down entirely with one day’s notice. It was a reasonably popular brand for its niche and private equity folks couldn’t make it scale successfully long term, so all employees were let go overnight.

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If its a sit I think could be a good fit I’d apply anyway and clarify timings later. Personally I think having to specify timings is a useless addition and may well be counterproductive. Some sitters may take the timings literally and not apply if they think those timings won’t work for them. When in actual fact the owners may have just put timings in because they thought they have to but are actually quite flexible..

For example we recently confirmed a sit where the timings were arrival between 7am and 9am. And leaving between 4 & 6pm. Neither of those timings usually work for us as- if we’re coming from afar- we can’t usually get there so early and if we’re moving on somewhere we prefer to get away much earlier in the day. We applied anyway. During the pre sit meeting we discovered they leave at 3 am, hence the request for early arrival, as they obviously did not want sitters staying the night before they leave (or, as first timers they may not have thought of that option). In this case that’s no problem as our current hosts already welcomed us, in advance, to stay for any gap nights we might have. The new hosts are very accomodating in other ways. They are loaning us a car for the 3 weeks which is great. We’ll be taking the train up to there place the day before to the collect the car and he will pick us up at the Station. We’ll drive back with the car and return next morning with all our stuff after they’ve left. For leaving they arrive back at 9-10pm. We said leaving so late in the day (4-6pm) would not work for us as we need to coordinate with a flight out. They immediately invited us to stay the night and offered to drive us to the airport next day. Perfect! So the whole timings thing on their listing was completely unnecessary. All we needed to do was to have an adult conversation to clarify what works best for us all!

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@Lokstar So, will those HOs change the specified arrival and departure times in their listing to those agreed?

I wonder whether this feature will be comparable to when days are added to a sit, with it being prudent to officially amend.

Call me cynical but, whilst HOs may verbally agree alternative arrival and departure times I believe it still may be open to abuse, with some HOs potentially alleging sitters arrived late or left early.

We always ask HOs to confirm timings via WhatsApp, so we have a written record. It seems even more necessary, now.

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We don’t specify times in the listing.

Instead, we have always discussed arrival and departure during video chats.

We then restate these logistics on the THS message platform.

That puts it in writing for everyone’s reference. This method has worked well for the past four years.

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Nothing to change at the mo. Arrival time is still the same, only additional is that we’ll visit the day before to collect the car for the next day early arrival. Leaving time is still open and will depend on the time of our flight which is not not yet booked. I do generally confirm timings in b&w on WhatsApp- mostly so we don’t forget but also as a reference if anything changes. In this case nothing in writing yet till we have a flight. & since they’ll be back from their trip (and in charge again) no need for any date adjustments either - for the extra night.

TBH I think the addition of timings on the listing is an absolutely useless and unnecessary addition. THS are micro managing and over complicating everything…as usual!

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Arrival time

Fri 13 Feb 26:4–6 AM

Departure time

Sat 21 Feb 26:5–8 AM

Not sure if this listing has their am’s and pm’s confused but they have 2 applicants interested in applying.

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Friday the 13th, off to an auspicious start :rofl:

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Maybe they don’t mind the nocturnal arrival and departure because according to the listing they will be staying “a stone throw away from the Queen !!! :crown::rofl:

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Another possibility is that applicants never noticed the timings, or they assumed the host must have confused am with pm :thinking:

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By her grave? :rofl:

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@Mark_B Your title refers to starting with clear expectations. With all applications, I have a video call and conversation about how we can best work arrival and departure times. This would include clarification as to whether the hosts (note my choice of terminology :wink: ) have included a day before and/or after their travel dates. If I was being asked to arrive the day before, that would lead into me clarifying accommodation arrangements, to see whether I’m comfortable with what they’re suggesting.

Here’s part of a listing I saw today:

For now I’ll ignore the narrow window for arrival time, which does not take the sitters into consideration. For example, for this particular listing I would need to fly there, which limits or hampers my convenient arrival time.

  • My assumption would be that the sitter is expected to arrive after the hosts’ evening meal, but not all hosts eat at similar times, so still needs clarification.
  • Are the hosts departing at that time, or expecting the sitter to stay over, or expecting them to pick up keys & stay elsewhere? For some sitters, they will not agree to stay the night before. For some who sit full-time, the hosts actual travel dates would be important for their travel mapping.

I suggest a ‘sit essential’ needs to incorporate both the expected/anticipated sit dates and the hosts’ travel dates & times. Then sitters can see in advance whether it’s worth applying.

Really, all this listing shows me is that I’d be unlikely to apply, unless it really appeals to me overall. After all, what host expects me to arrive within a 30-minute window? It tells me that they’ve only put their needs first. I would look at all factors, but that would be my initial reaction.

PS - It’s also a new listing (no sitters shown on app) without the required interior photos. :roll_eyes:

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Hi @Snowbird

The points you make about are broadly accepted and for many people on the forum, discussing arrival and departure times is second nature.

However, taking a macro view of thousands and thousands of sits; including survey results, social media feedback, research sessions, forum discussions, member service enquires and more, we know that these conversations weren’t always happening and a proportion of members benefit from a reminder/conversation starter/signposting on the platform.

Longer term, as with any change, we’ll monitor data and feedback (including this discussion) over time and where improvements/tweaks/adjustments can be made, we’ll look to iterate to improve member experience.

I know you have recognised this in your post, but I think it’s useful to echo, there is no substitute for a good conversation.