Does TrustedHousesitters have a two-tier system for sitters?

Yes, there’s lots of subjectivity involved. Like how old is “enough” and how old is “too much,” depending on what hosts and their pets and homes need. Some pet and home care is more (physically) demanding and the hosts’ perception varies. And of course, each sitter has their own level of health and physical fitness.

Why I mentioned ageism: Having seen a number of older posts and comments from sitters who had trouble landing sits and noticing that they often came from younger folks. (Such posts and comments have dwindled over the ~three years I’ve been a member, I’m guessing because there are so many more sits vs. sitters in general as THS has grown, so it’s relatively easier for sitters to get established, no matter their age.) Also, old-timer members often describe how hard it was to start getting sits to start with, like applying for dozens of sits before succeeding, or doing local sits to get established.

From my experience, joining in my 50s and having lots of homeownership experience, as well as pet experience, and being a solo sitting woman who telecommutes is definitely a plus – it took me few applications to start landing sits, as well as getting unsolicited invitations for popular locations, like waterfront Hawaii. I didn’t have to start with local sits. And I get most sits I pursue. I also quickly got sits and offers without providing any references, including for locations like London. And I get sits from hosts who are 20-something to 70-something.

Of course, self-selection for listings matters, too. If I applied for more physically demanding sits, I’d expect more scrutiny of my physical ability, directly or indirectly, especially as I age, if applying for sits via any sitting platform. But I avoid physically demanding sits, big dogs, energetic or athletic ones and such. I don’t pursue rural sits, off-grid locations, etc.

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Hi @Travelerthiswld
I do a regular sit that’s about 50 minutes from my home. I originally did the sit as I was building my feedback up post joining THS. However I get on great with the HO’s, their cat is amazing and now knows me well. They treat me like family and always leave some great cheeses and wine for me and lastly it’s an amazing home I sit in with home gym, home cinema room and a swimming pool. None of which are available in my rather small London flat!

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Hi @Maggie8K
It took me 23 applications to get my first local sit upon joining THS in 2022. Since then I have done 27 sits all but 1 5 star and have travelled all over Europe.
I think the problem is maybe THS promotes sits as easy to get for new sitters and unfortunately (like most things in life) it can take patience to get sits and build feedback.

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Yes, @richten1, I remember your mentioning that before and figured it was because hosts in general give greater benefit of doubt for female sitters, especially older ones. I think you and I are similar age wise.

gotta laugh. who’d have thought that giving name of a community, or even local county, would be a privacy concern! seems simply silly policy with no apparent benefit to host and plentiful deception to housesitter.

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We all know this is going to be fixed soon, with laser-precision search options, with all the extra monies THS will be getting :laughing:

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That’s both ridiculous & annoying. It’s hard enough for sitters to deal with hacks & work-arounds to get a somewhat-accurate location-based search to work.

I also have doubts about it being for privacy. I see a lot of sits claiming to be in a major metro location, but impossibly far from it in reality. Feels much more likely to be a way to get eyeballs on their listing. Extremely misleading, and could cause a sitter to be stuck somewhere, potentially without public transportation, if they’re not careful.

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This is a really good point, maybe the best point. It’s related to why hosts reaching out to random sitters rarely works. I tried that at first. I created a spreadsheet and made a list of potential sites based on their profiles and reviews. I messaged dozens of them.

Most replied and several were interested but none accepted stating lack of availability.

So plenty of opportunity for other sitters other than the regulars.

I feel the 5 application limit is a far bigger barrier to accessing sits in prime locations. THS essentially blocked many sits from many sitters. They really don’t care that we pay the same fee to see a fraction of the listings.

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@Shella_in_the_Forum, perhaps we’re missing evidence but we don’t understand.

Some listings are filled, privately or publicly, with repeat sitters but appears to be a small proportion of housesits - as even repeat sitters often have other commitments.

It is our understanding that vast majority of housesits, including those with attractive attributes, are freely available to all housesitters. That said, popular listings will quickly secure five applications. So sitters unable to make timely applications, including those in other timezones, may struggle to apply for popular listings. For example, when we are based in North America then we struggle to apply for popular sits in Schengen area - because most are listed in the middle of the night in North America. That is nothing to do with fees.

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@MerryPuppins We’ve just had this experience. We applied for a very desirable looking long sit in France. The host contacted us to request a Video call and gave their village name. It turns out to be an hour away from their listed location and completely remote. Very misleading and not what we are looking for. We withdrew our application and told the host it would be very helpful if they write more precise location details in their listing as its currently innacurate and misleading. They said they would update it but have not done so.

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@GotYourBack I understood @Shella_in_the_Forum differently. By ‘fee’ I think she means the annual membership fee not the new per-sit fee. The 5 App limit is a separate issue and is indeed a huge and annoying obstacle to securing desirable sits if you are not super quick off the mark!

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I am not sure what is confusing. The OP is concerned that many sits fill up with repeat sitters – leaving fewer high desirable sits available to all. I am pointing out that the 5 application limit has the same effect and is much more widespread for the reasons you state. Is that different in your mind? In both scenarios I don’t think THS cares. In fact, in some ways the 5 application limit actually skews toward new sitters getting their foot in the door. But nonetheless, it means the attractive sits that fill up in 5 minutes are not available to me.

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Yes that’s right. I was referring to the large annual membership fee despite a fraction of listings available because they fill up quickly.

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What is this significant ‘scale’ you’re referring to?

I disagree with your assertions, since ‘several’ sitters don’t constitute the scale to which you allude.

We’ve been sitters for almost 3 years and have done almost back-to-back sits for almost 2.5 years, many of which were repeats. It’s certainly true that, good sitters are often invited to return, indeed, our next 2 confirmed sits are repeats (we had one saved in favourites so quickly applied when we noticed it, the other resulted from the HO contacting us direct to ask if we’d sit). Are we potentially monopolising these sits? I don’t think so; we’re not their only sitters, we just happen to have previously proved to be a good match with these HOs and have made it known that we’ve particularly enjoyed these sits, so it makes sense - for everyone - to partner again when our schedules align. Should we pay more for this privilege, and/or deprive HOs of choice in this matter? This would merely encourage more people to confirm sits off-platform (as will likely occur more anyway, due to the new booking fees structure)

Particularly desirable sits will always command more interest and subsequently more disappointed applicants, it’s just the way it is and the way it always will be. I don’t view it as a conspiracy or a ‘two-tier system’, but more the luck of the draw. Nobody has any entitlement to sit or to find sitters, simply because they pay a membership fee.

It’s fair to say that favourite sitters won’t always be available for every sit, so inroads do still exist but it does take time and effort to watch out for them. It’s up to you to do all you can to accumulate some good reviews, beef up your profile and write a personalised application, and you’ll vastly increase your own desirability as a sitter.

Central London is- and always has been - a high-demand sit location. I don’t feel this is attributable to ‘a shrinking pool of genuinely open listings’, but rather to a greater number of experienced sitter applicants, which immediately increases the competition and turns up the heat on necessity for making timely and convincing applications.

I think you’ve oversimplified the issue and made it too personal.

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What a waste of time & effort for all concerned. :unamused_face: :roll_eyes:

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It’s possibly more an identity/demographic thing than age. We’re retired and young people see us as their parents/grandparents (!) and so likely to be able to manage complex houses also be around a bit more… possibly less likely to be partying or going out at night. It’s all about stereotyping of course…. no right/wrong but at times unfair.

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You’re right to notice this and I welcome the complexity :slight_smile:

For sure, the value is different in different hub locations, as well as the amount of repeat-sitter closed loops. Perhaps there should be tiers or zones to consider.

When you start on TH you’re pretty much forced into doing many short-term, low stakes sits to get experience and get your user rating and credibility established. That’s breakthrough number 1 and I really don’t think those early test sits should be done for long durations or extremely distant locations from the sitter’s home base. As for me, I did them here and there for years before I finally broke into the next realm. Maybe this is the part where a higher price tier could come in, for someone who wants to get a lot of experience quickly? Maybe even a bit of mentorship? Something like an accelerated entry curve.

From there you start getting more accepted sits, longer sits, etc., depending on your location, and you really start to learn the complexities of “sit life”, including the differences in places and cultures. In this phase you may get a bit addicted, plus you learn important questions to ask that you never considered before. Maybe you buy a pro sitter membership. Maybe you have your first 1-2 bad sits and realize what your limits and dealbreakers are, and what your backup plan should be. I think this phase is also split between those traveling around far and wide, and those focusing on one base city or a few base cities, perhaps TH hub cities like London.

After that maybe that split widens, and people enter their TH Sage/Wizard era, as for what happens there I’m not sure yet :innocent: But I do see many of them contributing on the board with priceless advice and support.

Each of these phases may have different geographical and financial incentives depending on many factors—like Jenny pointed out, everyone uses TH in custom ways. I agree that it isn’t wrong to make repeat sits, and it’s better for the pets.

TH did cap the applications at 5 per sit to help things distribute more.

An accelerated entry curve is something to consider, maybe for payment or maybe with a wizard referral and mentorship. I was sent to this platform by a TH Wizard who had mostly retired…but I don’t think I’ve ever sat for any of her same clients…

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There aren’t 250,000 active members. Do the maths on income from membership fees and you’ll see why . THS keeps the # of active members confidential. AI bots e.g. Gemini estimate 200,000.

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Do you have to face a “Boss Host” as your final challenge before graduating to the most favorable subscription tier? (Also, should we limit how many “Sage advice” posts you’re allowed to make on the Forums until you have at least 5 completed 5-star sits, as either a Sitter or Host?) :laughing: :wink: :laughing:

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