HO unhappy that i didn’t leave house as i found it

About leaving, if needed:

You seem overly fixated on getting a bad review. Some folks are, but a number of us keep perspective. And there have been multiple threads on the forum where members have mentioned getting a bad review and being able to continue getting sits. But it sounds like you’ll continue to believe what you want to, and again, no one should’ve joined THS if they don’t want to be locked into a schedule as a sitter, as you mentioned.

Did you somehow think that you could come and go as you pleased and that pets don’t need feeding, watering, walking, medicine or such on a schedule? They’re living beings. It doesn’t matter if you have your own pet or are sitting, they need that kind of care. And their humans wanted them to have company, playtime and affection. Otherwise, why would a sitter be needed?

Given everything you mentioned, you don’t sound like a fit for THS and vice versa. That’s fine. No product or service can fit everyone. And those of us who value it will keep using it whether you like it or not. Again, it’s voluntary — no one forces anyone to join or to accept any sits. You mentioned it’s an expense. That seems obvious — so is a hotel or many other things that are discretionary purchases. But it’s cheap compared with hotels. To me, if someone thinks it’s a lot, they shouldn’t join, because they’d probably have trouble with related costs, including transit, airfares, backup plans, etc.

If you’re saying people should know what they’re signing up for, absolutely. Like I read the website info — there’s a crapload — before joining. And I read listings and chat with hosts about questions. I avoid red flag hosts and sits. That’s not luck, as you think. Those are actions.

Some people aren’t good at reading red flags or ignore them, as many sits gone wrong reveal. Some people suck at setting and upholding boundaries. Again, they could take actions to avoid such — not count on luck.

Of course, a host (or sitter) could lie or withhold key info, which full circle, brings us back to what I already mentioned and how I’d give 24 hours and leave. That would be bad luck — to run into a liar, bully or such despite doing reasonable due diligence. But again, actions can help deal with that. I’d take action by leaving, as I mentioned. So would various other sitters.

Some sitters won’t stand up for themselves, which is a shame for them, as well as others, because it can give jerks the sense that they can get away with stuff. But that’s reality in life, not just sitting.

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Amanda56 - We had an identical experience a few years ago.
The HO kept changing plans.
We kept accommodatng. Before the sit was agreed to. After the sit was agreed to. During the sit. Have never had to deal with anywhere near so many changes.
Then half way into the sit told their scheduled house cleaner was ill, wouldn’t come at any point in the sit. Fine. We don’t need that.
We used: the guest bedroom & en suite; kitchen, family room, laundry room. Didn’t enter any other rooms.
Near the end of the sit, we were told one of their kids was coming to the house 2 days before the end of our sit, we’d have to leave. 15 hours before the kid arrived.
We suddenly had to spend our evening tidying up, vaccuming, etc, booking a hotel, packing.
In the AM washed bed linens, towels, made the bed, then had our breakfast: kid arrives, tells us to leave the key on the counter and go whenever we were ready to.
SO we cleaned up the dishes, etc and left.
We got a nasty note that the kitchen was “filthy” and nothing vacuumed.
Every room we entered was vaccumed. And the kitchen was very clean.
In retrospect we believe the HO realized they would get a less than 5-Star review from us because of all the changes they kept springing on us culminating with asking us to leave 2 days early to accommodate their kid.
It REALLY bothered us even though we knew that was almost certainly the reason.
Not all HO and not all Sitters are considerate people.
Just like in every other aspect of life.

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it all depends on how you manage the house on a daily basis. if you keep it clean and tidy you don’t have much to do before leaving

Right deep cleaning is for professional cleaner but lots of sitter leave the house very dirty without clean or smelly or dirty well etc etc . Clean the house is a normal action.

@Thelawyer

Where are you getting your information to enable you to come up with these outrageous statements?

Do you have access to data that we don’t?

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Dear I took this info by my large experiences These are my data.

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Well, in the words of Daniel Patrick Moynihan

‘You are entitled to your own opinion, but you are not entitled to your own facts’

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How many THS sitters have you hosted?

As a researcher and statistician, I will just say that personal anecdotes are not data.

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Are you an internet rowdy?

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I have been fortunate that the HOs on my sits have told me that the cleaners will be there before and after my stays. How incredibly considerate!

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It is a good idea also for host - it really takes away a lot of stress and sources of possible conflicts.

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I just read the list and think it is way over the top. I don’t do all of that. How much cleaning I do depends on how long the sit was. Basiclly I leave the home how I find it and with over 20 reviews I always have 5 stars for cleanliness. I gave me a 4 for cleanliness, which I found ironic since I had to clean the frigde, dishes that been put away dirty and the toilet before I felt I could use them. O left that home cleaner than I found it for sure.

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I think the beauty of having a list for both sitters and pet owners is that it gives you a set of discussion points given by an objective third party. You could, for example, point out items on the list for pet owners that you really need, whereas others may not be so important to you.

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Yes, totally agree regarding showing respect on both sides. As a HO, all I ask of my sitter is that you clean up after yourself and leave my home as you found it.

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Absolutely yes,

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"That’s a great point! Having a list for both sitters and pet owners helps keep things organized and makes it easier to discuss what’s really important. It also allows you to focus on the key things that matter most to you, while still being flexible with other details.

Immaculate all the way for me. I don’t like a house every other way. If it was retuned 90% clean I’d be fine as long as my animals were happy. I’ve left all my sits cleaner than when I got there

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I also got a comment when I left it cleaner. It was a cluttered toddler home. They left a waste basket and cleaning product on the living room end table. I left it there through my sit and left it there when I left. She complained. But she was the one, or her husband probably that left it there. I generally get great comments on cleanliness and tidiness.

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Mmm, I’m going to somewhat disagree with this response, & suggest a bit more give and take.

I’m more than tidy, & I’ve gotten specific “cleanliness” compliments from almost all my sits, & even myAirBnB stays. I wash the dishes, sheets, duvet cover & towels, except for the very last hand towel I use on leaving day. I re-make the bed unless I’m specifically told not to, in which case I fold the newly-washed sheets neatly. I wipe down any counters & sinks I used, appliances where needed, & floor areas if anything looks messy or might have drips…but I’m not a housekeeper, nor am I the gardener, lawn service or pool cleaner. I’m there to mind the house, water a few plants, & make sure your pets have excellent care & company…while still hopefully fitting in a bit of relaxation, if possible (although I always accept the possibility that last part might not altogether work out.)

I would say that when I’m on a sit I consider myself something between a guest & a visiting family member, who’s happily doing the HO a big favor. You wouldn’t expect a guest to deep-clean your home, but you would hope a good friend/family member would be considerate enough to clear up after themselves & not leave you with an undue burden upon your return; things should be clean & tidy enough for you to relax, have dinner, snuggle with your fur-baby, & go to bed without any extra work.

If an owner expects an immaculate, professional-style cleaning job upon their return, I think that’s on them…or if they tell me this in advance I’ll take it into consideration & possibly ask if there’s a service they use, which I’d be happy to pay for if it’s a long stay.

I do feel that the expectations should be realistic on both sides. “Clean & tidy” seems reasonable; immaculate enough for an Open House seems maybe a bit much to ask from either party — especially when scrambling to pack, load up, travel…and STILL fulfilling pet duties/walks etc. that last day.

Anyway, just my 2 cents… :woman_shrugging:

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