HOs Please disclose your outdoor cameras in your listing

THS also allows for instance hosts to have dogs, but that doesn’t mean everyone on the platform must sit dogs. Ultimately, both hosts and sitters get to decide what they accept.

That isn’t a rule. The rules are hosts cannot have interior cameras, but can have exterior cameras.

There is no rule that hosts can only have cats and not dogs. LOL.

Terms also allow collecting of utilities, but sitters aren’t obligated to pay. THS has terms, not rules, and they can’t even enforce most of them.

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No, platform rules are rules.

If hosts can’t have interior cameras as a rule - fine. HO who don’t comply should be go e from the site.

But if hosts can have exterior cameras as a rule - then fine. Sitters who don’t comply should be gone from the site.

Why is it one sided against HO?

OK so if terms are no interior cameras, I can have them?

If you see THS as one-sided against hosts, maybe complain to THS. Unless they decide to change their terms or features, there’s no obligation for sitters to accept cameras, internal or external.

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That’s a reasonable position to take.

As long as Sitters disclose what they will accept, and HO should disclose what they have.

It’s really two sides. But this thread started with HO disclose. All I am saying is Sitters disclose too so I know who I can decline immediately without talking too.

But I have yet to see any sitters saying they will include on their profiles they will not accept sits with exterior cameras.

And in Turkey :tr: @pietkuip no cameras for us, ever on a sit here (in at least 12 homes). It’s just not how we live. Never come across a camera in 40+ sits across 19 countries & am with @Oztravels in that we’d never take a sit with any kind of camera now even if it meant missing out on what looked like a nice gig. It would be a case of #toodlepip to those folks @PVGemini :wink:

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Why would they need to disclose when sitters apply for sits and can self-select out?

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Because of what you said here.

I am only asking Sitters to be transparent, if they want the same from HO. I don’t want to waste my time talking to you if this point is a non starter for both of us. But by your own admission, sitters still apply to ‘discuss’.

What if I don’t want to discuss? I disclose cameras, Sitters can disclose not wanting them. And I can raise those sitter to THS to determine if this is the right platform for them, if they don’t agree to the ‘terms’ (i.e.rules).

I think those who feel strongly will just not apply. But I was trying to answer your question about why some might still apply — I don’t know that they do.

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So you acknowledge that even if HO disclose they want cameras, sitters who don’t want cameras may apply? As you said in the quote I posted?

That is my point.

If I have to disclose, so should sitters. That is all I am saying.

Some sitters write it in their profile like @Nagy26 so you know they don’t accept cameras from the off @Felinelover. For us we’ve never had a home with them so it’s yet to come up but am feeling more prepared now & may also include it after this long debate. #usefulthreads

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Shrug. I don’t care if they disclose or not — that’s up to them individually unless THS requires it. So again, if you feel strongly about this, you can lobby THS. I doubt you’ll get meaningful results here.

Personally, if I felt strongly about exterior cameras, I’d have no problem disclosing that upfront. But I don’t care.

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Perfect, please do! And avoid applying to listings that disclose exterior cameras.

Because honestly if I disclosed (allowed) exterior cameras, and you applied, and then hemmed and hawed and wanted to negotiate the allowed exterior cameras - I would say thank you, good bye. And report you to THS for non-compliance with their ‘terms’ (i.e. rules).

So - be careful with just applying, if that’s your position. Just my advice.

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OK, if you don’t care then it’s not a problem for you.

I do care. I am honest and upfront. Can I not expect the same from Sitters?

If you’re asking in principle whether you should be able to get what you give, in an ideal world, that would be great. But the world is full of inconsistencies, because people are variable.

But the thread began with HO disclose. Not, ok some HO disclose variably and we’ll talk from there.

It can’t be one sided.

The thread I think was started because hosts, who are supposedly required to declare, don’t follow that consistently. Meanwhile, there’s no requirement for sitters to declare. So you’re saying both sides should be required to declare. Until there’s such a requirement from THS, that leaves sitters choice.

We understand that. Again, never applied for a sit with a camera. There are still tonnes of sits that don’t have them when you don’t sit in the USA. #worldisabigplace