SITTER used as free labour: Arriving early & leaving day after after HO has arrived home

For the extra time on the front end, I require that for every one of my sitters so that we’re able to orient them to the space, our dog and the area. We’ll often times invite them to break bread with us and just try to build rapport during this period as well so that we have a relationship going into the sit.

Making you stay the extra day on the backend though when they came back early doesn’t sound right. I would rather say “hey! We’re coming back a day early so you can head off earlier if you like OR feel free to take the extra day you now have to explore the city with no responsibilities attached!”…then let them move as they like.

If we are doing a trip that requires a flight though, especially a long one (our last trip was Europe to Central America/Caribbean), we asked that the sitter plan to leave the day AFTER we got back just in case we ran into issues with our flights, etc.

Oftentimes, on that last day, our HS will offer to continue to help us bc jetlag, but we don’t expect them to continue to care for our dog…will absolutely accept the help if offered though! lol Our last sitter even reciprocated our hospitality at the start of the sit and offered to make us dinner for our night back with was an absolute (and unexpected) blessing after having traveled for 20+ hours to get home…but again, I would NEVER presume to expect an HS to do that.

I, personally, feel our use cases are reasonable asks BUT the other piece is that these expectations are clearly laid out in some combination of explicitly in our profile and on the initial call/video chat so that the sitter is clear and can decide if that’s ok with them…we definitely then triple check our understanding when we’re looking at both our and their dates to book travel after the sit is confirmed.

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Tell :clap:t4: them :clap:t4: what :clap:t4: you :clap:t4: want :clap:t4:! 1000%

Just state your truth and keep it moving. As @Maggie8K…this is not drama, just facts. X

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Gosh @Keldin , that is very good of you. I would not have been willing to do that. My early leavers always have me stay the night. And even my non early leavers.

I arrived yesterday at 5pm to my current sit. It’s 3 weeks. They kindly took me to a nice pub for supper and we had such a great evening. Plus a thorough and relaxed handover. They leave at midday today!

It’s a great way to start as we have connected and all feel comfortable. Which is so important for all concerned. They feel very happy about not having to worry about anything during their long trip abroad.

So I’m sorry to hear of your experience. I think @MissChef ’s advice is great for next time. I learnt very fast the hard way to nail down certain Qs before accepting a sit and departure and arrival back timings was definitely one of the earliest.

I always insist on a video call with certain preset Qs and I feel I am interviewing them, rather than the other way around.

But that only came after experience and learning through my mistakes and also reading the very useful posts on our lovely community forum. I find it so useful, supportive and inspiring!

Wishing you a much better experience next time.

:two_hearts::smiling_face:

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Hey Purdie,
Would you be willing to share some of your most useful questions on the forum?
Thanks!

Does anyone think it would be OK to ask to see proof of the HO’s flight dates + times before confirming the sit, particularly if they asked to see proof of the Sitter’s?

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If they ask to see yours @Nancy.Lorne then think it’s fair to say no problem, please also send us a copy of your flights so we have transparency and commitment on both sides. It’s an equal exchange after all

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Hey @Nancy.Lorne, that would be a great idea to do. I don’t have a master list, as I just start writing individual Qs for a particular sit, based on their listing, as soon as I set up a video call. Duh! Pretty inefficient :roll_eyes:

Has anyone got a master list and happy to post it? We can then all add stuff to it. And co create a ‘super master list’

Especially after what I was reading on another thread about HSs having to front up all vet bills (in the event of them occurring during sit) and then sometimes having to struggle to recover the costs from HO!

It’s something I am now alerted I must ask about first. Though it would be far better if the HOs was prompted across the board on what arrangements are in place for paying vets to safeguard (especially if less savvy like me) sitters who may not ask about that.

Here is the link (I think) , (I’m rubbish at tech and don’t know if this is the correct way to do it…)

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I think it is useful to know flight times of owners anyway especially for their return since you can track if they have been delayed without them having to constantly update you whilst they are on the move and sometimes without signal.

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I’m not sure I understand the problem here. Is it just that you didn’t know the conditions in advance? And what was “free labour” the whole point of THS is the exchange of accommodation for pet-sitting. If they asked you to move to a hotel on their return and still look after their dog for an additional day it would be a different matter.

I ask my house sitters to be here for a full day before I leave - so if I fly out Monday morning, I want them here Saturday evening. But this is explained before confirming the sit. I show them the dog beaches and favourite walking tracks, take them out to lunch, and cook dinner, introduce them to the neighbours. Primarily I make sure that they and my dog are comfortable with each other, they are confident drivers so I am happy lending my car, and they know their way around. The only sitter who came at the last minute ended up being a disaster in many other ways.

I let the sitter know when I am expected to arrive back and want them to stay until I can confirm I am nearly home, at least. I also offer them the opportunity to stay on for a day or two if that makes their scheduling easier - several have done so.

Perhaps the difference is that I can offer them their own space, or that I only confirm sitters that I actually like.

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I would be very put off by a pet parent wanting to check my flight documents. It feels demeaning and distrustful. So if someone asked I would probably back out of the sit. But certainly counter asking the pet parent to show proof of travel would be reasonable. I can’t tell you how many times pet parents have changed their dates after the sit was confirmed. I, as a sitter, have never done so.

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I believe the issue is that the pet parent is “requesting” that the sitter stay a full extra day AFTER they return and they want her to walk the dog that extra day because they are busy. And that request/demand (?) is being made after the sit was agreed to.

Your routine works for you and your sitters and you handle it with generosity. I have often arrived at a sit one day before the pet parent’s departure for a thorough handoff. Requiring me to arrive two nights before so that the actual handoff is 24 + hours seems a bit much and I would think twice before taking that sit. (Location, complexity, and length of sit might impact that.)

With that said, when I am flying into a sit, I always arrive 2 days early and stay in a hotel or airbnb. This provides a buffer for flight problems and gives me the privacy I prefer to recover from a long travel day.

Just my perspective…

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I guess after one truly horrible experience with a THS sitter, I want time to ensure they are a good fit, and time to make other arrangements, if not. If someone said they’d prefer to stay in a local motel I’d be perfectly happy with that.

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A HO who’d been burned by two potential sitters just asked me to show them my airfare for a sit that’s coming up soon. I get that they’ve been burned, which sucks, but logically, why would I buy airfare if I don’t have a sit yet? I’m not going there for another purpose, after all.

So I said, extend the sit offer, then I’ll buy a ticket and be happy to show you airfare if that will save you unnecessary stress.

Done. We spent maybe five minutes on video after I applied and easily came to agreement.

Total time between my applying and our agreeing on a sit was less than 24 hours. And we discussed specifics about arrival and departure — her travel details and mine, on an equal footing.

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@Maggie8K, from having read this and other posts of yours, I am struck by how cool headed and even more importantly, quick thinking you are, when put in a potentially awkward or unreasonable spot :clap:t3:.

Is that through experience, do you think, or are you naturally like that? They are certainly good qualities to have as a sitter, as we already are on the ‘back foot’ before we even start sometimes, because of the way things are stacked in terms of balance & equality between HOs & HSs

In similar situations I am rather thrown inside and then don’t always think of the better solution till a short while after. I deal with that by saying “I’m not sure I know how I feel about that, may I get back to you please?” If they are not gracious about that, then I know in any event, not to go ahead, as they potentially won’t be fair about other matters moving forward.

I think most of us are caught out by not wishing to say ‘no’ or wanting to please the other person. I know I’m still working on that!

So well done @Maggie8K, for nailing this, and do share how you manage it so smoothly….

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I agree with Purdie. Whenever I see that Maggie8K has written the post that I am about to read, I feel myself smiling because I am going to be treated to her wise words.

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I certainly wouldn’t want to see documents but simply ask if they would like to provide flight number so we can check progress as a means of lessening any stress on their part if they are delayed. We also usually arrange to stay in the area with friends, at a hotel etc until the day after a sit ends just in case there is a delay in owners returning.

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@LizBCN that is a good approach. I think the difference is one of communication vs. evidence of honesty.

I typically book sits back to back over several months. After I have accepted a particular sit – often months in advance – I will let pet parents know when I have purchased a ticket (timed for a good price).

When my initial plane arrives I let them know that. And then as the sit nears, I confirm again. These touch points also allow me to confirm that the pet parent has not changed their plans, which often happens and I do my best to adjust.

Recently I learned not to buy train tickets in advance. I have lost a lot of money due to pet parents changing or cancelling their dates. Life happens. :face_with_diagonal_mouth:

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@Purdie, I started problem-solving and looking out for myself early, because of crappy parents. I’m also much more logical than emotional. But I wasn’t born knowing how to handle this sort of stuff — it’s learnable.

Maybe useful to consider:

It’s much less important to please other people than yourself when it comes to those who try to take advantage. Who cares if they don’t like the answer? They’re not interested in what’s mutually beneficial — they focus on getting what they want. Don’t use normal nice behavior to deal with people who aren’t normal or nice.

It can be useful to say you’ll think about something, or to come up with an alternative option, but remember that, in various instances, you’re not obligated to come up with an explanation or solution, especially when you’re negotiating a THS sit. For example, “I’m not comfortable with that” or “Unfortunately, that’s not something I can accommodate” or some versions of that are perfectly fine. Full stop. If you don’t feel like doing X, that’s enough — you don’t need to justify it or argue the details of it.

Personally, I’m logical and play out scenarios in my head, game theory style — anticipate various outcomes, good and bad. I assume that if there’s going to be a mess or a jam, I will be responsible for dealing with it. I’m not too proud to ask for help if I can’t deal, but my filter is based on not necessarily getting it, which helps me screen out unnecessary trouble.

I typically look at only the first listing photo and then immediately start reading if I’m interested. Why: Looking at photos first can be unnecessarily tempting. Then you might make mental compromises to do the sit. I don’t allow that to happen. I first look for what I’m willing/unwilling to do. I read listings closely and try to read between the lines and listen for tone. If a listing reads off, I can easily skip it. Photos aren’t the most valuable info. The most useful info with sitting is about the responsibilities and the HO’s attitude, a lot of which is conveyed in what they write or not. If reading the listing gives me a good feeling, only then do I look at the remaining photos, for supplementary info.

I don’t hesitate to raise Qs or concerns and be judged for them. I’m not afraid of that consequence, because the alternative consequence — not asking and walking in blind — would probably be worse. I’m direct, because it’s logical, saves time and usually avoids problems.

I don’t live in fear of a bad review. I haven’t got any yet, but I assume that I’ll run into the wrong HO at some point. I trust that if someone unfairly dinged me, my other reviews would help put things in perspective. And if other HOs didn’t see it that way, I’d be better off not sitting for them anyway. I look for rational, fair people to interact with in life. Likewise in my career, for instance. It saves a lot of unnecessary grief. I’m not into drama.

And if people aren’t logical, why deal with them if you don’t need to? Illogical people are unpredictable, more trouble than they’re worth.

I also don’t want to sit so badly that I’d make compromises that end up making me feel that I didn’t stand up for myself or let anyone take advantage of me. Sitting via THS is a purely voluntary activity, after all. Why volunteer for regrets or other crap?

If you’re not feeling good about something, it’s perfectly fine to say so. In such cases, I’d just wrap up quickly and politely. Like, “This doesn’t sound like the best sit for me. Best wishes on matching up with the right sitter.” Then you’re done. Move on.

Some people worry about others’ reactions. But actually if your attitude is firm and yet neutral or polite, people are more likely to not mess with you. That’s because they look for signals about whom they can mess with — they want easy targets.

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I think as others have said that once they are back explain that how ths works is that, because you are a volunteer, you can’t do the errands or dog care now they are responsible. You can say you don’t want to break the code of conduct of THS. I appreciate this is very tricky though and because of the review system you may be reluctant.

Ideal :+1:that sounds perfect