Website Stalking

Hi,

We have been members of TH since 2019 and have used the services pretty seamlessly 16+ times but we have been advised by our strata board that we are being stalked on your website.

The neighbour who has been “ stalking” us has been using screen grabs of our posted photos and using them as some vendetta against us.

Is there anything TH can do? We are of course very uncomfortable with this and now knowing they can access our sit requests means they know when we are away etc.

I have emailed TH but haven’t received a response. Anyone else encountered this issue with people using the info found on the TH site?

Stalking is illegal in the UK (I don’t know your location)- capture all evidence over a period of time and involve the Police. It’s not easy to nip in the bid but can be done. Sometimes an intervention is needed in person supported by the police or local services if it’s a mental health issue. I feel for you as it can be pretty awful to experience.

@Icychick I’m a traveler, not a host, but I’ve raised this with THS Member Services as well and currently have a pending response regarding the legality of sharing sensitive information and travel plans from member profiles and listings, publicly for promotional purposes.

Was at a housesit with a host in a situation similar to yours, but the neighbors didn’t stop there; they sought me out in person and bombarded me with questions while I was staying there.

It’s deeply unsettling how accessible our member information is. So, I’m looking forward to seeing what THS’s response to you will be regarding this.

Welcome to forum @Icychick !

So sorry to hear this. I am concerned myself that THS doesn’t restrict info. to paying members (or at least that we can decide ourselves whether our listings are open to paying members only or online).

Ofc someone could choose to sign up if they want to, but it surely would limit the risk.

An additional feature could be to be able to block a member.

These features are common on other sites, so it is hard to understand why THS doesn’t implement them.

Your situation surely illustrate both risks of current practice and value of features.

I think it could be useful to tag @Mark_B to follow the discussion.

Can you please provide additional information?

Is the neighbor simply contacting the board to say that they feel uncomfortable having strangers in the building? Or does the behavior meet the legal definition of stalking (this is the US one): “Whoever engages in a course of conduct (using mail, electronic communications, or travel across state lines) with the intent to kill, injure, harass, intimidate, or place under surveillance, and which causes the victim to reasonably fear death, serious bodily injury, or substantial emotional distress.”

If the latter, I would definitely contact an expert on stalking and follow their advice. This will likely be a mental health expert. In many cases, unfortunately, involving the police only escalates the behavior.

Be very clear on the outcome that you want and ensure that whatever course of action you take will increase the chances of that outcome occurring.

I cannot envision any scenario where blocking their access to THS will make any difference.

However, if the neighbor is simply contacting the board to say that they feel uncomfortable having unaccompanied strangers in the building, that is a different scenario altogether. In that case it seems reasonable that they would show “evidence” from THS that you are having people stay in the building while you are away.

I have occasionally sat for a couple in another country whose “strata board” (they have a different name) has firm rules against having guests at the property for more than three nights in a row, regardless of the arrangement (AirBnB, friends, family - anything). This is partly because they are in a prime location in a major city and the full-time residents experienced significant disruption from tourists. Officially my being there for a week taking care of the cats is a violation of the rules, and I am incredibly careful to be “invisible” and quiet. So far no one has complained, but if a neighbor did not approve of my presence, I could easily see them doing what yours is doing to say, Hey, we have rules. This has to stop.

There is not enough information in your post to ascertain what the neighbor actually wants. However, most stalkers don’t involve a strata board. A neighbor who is worried that a variety of strangers will have access to the building, however - that neighbor might contact the strata board. And I would have sympathy for that neighbor.

If the “neighbor worried about strangers in the building” is closer to your scenario, might it be possible to have a chat with them and help them understand the THS vetting process? If they think that you just post a listing and whoever raises their hand first gets to stay, of course they will be worried. But if they understand that you get to review the sitter’s previous sits, have a video conversation with them, etc., that might set their mind at ease.

If, however, they truly are mentally ill and are threatening you with harm, speaking with them will make it worse. In that case, contact an expert and follow their advice.

Please let us know how this turns out.

P.S. @Mark_B and @Jenny: We have learned the hard way that post titles steer the discussion dramatically. Might it be possible to retitle this thread, “Neighbor sharing my THS listing with Strata board”? - at least until the OP can provide additional information? That seems a more accurate representation of what is occurring with the H.O.

Thank you for your thoughtful response.

My concern is that this neighbour has managed to get access to our TH profile and has been taking screen shots of our photos and using them to prove what pets we have ( everyone knows we have 2GRs). Not sure what her rationale is other than mental health problems

This is a barren land strata so we all have individual homes. There are no rules about visitors etc.

Can TH review who has been looking at our page? This is a privacy breach after all

You can look up any sitters profile. Just click on “looking for sitter” and your location, look for your pic and click on it, walla, there you are. Not sure if you have to be a paid member to access it tho. Have a friend try to see if they can find you.

You don’t haft to be a paying member. Anyone with an email adress can access, look up and view members profiles, reviews, dates, pictures, information and listings

If I understand you correctly, your neighbor is taking screenshots of your dogs and telling the strata board: This resident has two dogs. And it is common knowledge that you have two dogs.

If the only reason the neighbor is doing that is mental health issues, THS absolutely cannot help you - and the strata board probably can’t, either. Most likely the wisest course of action is to stay as far away from this person as possible and document, document, document any issues to have evidence should it ever come to a law enforcement issue (and I certainly hope that it does not). Please do consult an expert on stalking and mental health - what works is not the same as what seems logical (I speak from intensely painful experience)

The neighbor can find the same information 10,000 other ways, including taking photos of you when you leave your home to take the dogs on a walk. Anyone who has a genuine stalker or other serious safety concern should absolutely not post anything about themselves or their pets online, including but not limited to THS.

I once had a friend who met “the greatest guy” at a bar. She was IN LOVE. Within 7 minutes I found him, his voting record, his real estate records, and his court records, all online - from only his name. Most importantly, I found his wife. The wife who apparently did not know that he was hanging out at that bar in another city hitting on my friend.

Suffice it to stay, being stalked, if that is what this is, is horrible, and anyone with a stalker needs to get offline immediately and get advice from experts on how to avoid detection and create a safety plan. I wish you health, and safety.

Practically speaking, no. THS cannot backtrace who accesses photos hosted on their website. (I could add some equivocating caveats but none of them are relevant generally.)

I’m guessing you’re in Australia but I’d be surprised if someone viewing pictures available to the public would be considered a privacy breach. You could emphasis to THS that their publishing sit dates pubicly IS an invasion of privacy that they could and should remedy. But THS is already aware of the general concern their inexplicable sharing of sit dates to the general public has on paying hosts and yet here we are.
Maybe I’m too easily entertained but, in your shoes, I’d probably build quite a menagerie of pet photos on my THS profile during periods when I have no sit dates published. Give your stalker something to get really worked up about. Maybe add photos of your pet pot bellied pig, a caged koala and a terrarium with a sweet brown snake. I can’t imagine what a stalker could do with that information other than make a complete fool of themselves. But be sure to at least remove the brown snake next time you publish sit dates. The pig and koala might not dissuade potential sitters so your call on those :laughing:

I think this is the policy

(Anyone who creates an account on TrustedHousesitters, even a free one, can view other users’ profiles. The general public can also see public profile information like listing and pet photos. However, personal identifying information like full names, addresses, phone numbers, and email addresses are not displayed)

I don’t think non paying members should be able to see this much information but I guess it’s allowed to advertise what sits are available to potential customers. Since anyone can see the information there is the risk someone could use the information for malicious intent.

The OP’s neighbor knows they are on THS and got on there to snoop and see the inside of the house and to see the pets. I dont know what the neighbor is trying to do with the info since this is someone’s private home and they are not violating any neighborhood, HOA, city , laws or rules.

I think that THS will say that when members join they agree that their profile is public, even though THS requires homeowners to post certain photo to be members.

Haven’t heard of this before but not surprised. On my wish list of things THS should change, having an opt out for “public” profiles and listings would be my number one. All of this should be behind a paywall so only paid members have access.

My no. 1 wish, also.

You can ask them to delete all of your information, ( e-Mail support@trustedhousesitters.com ).. thay would mean that you can’t list anymore sits on THS .

Another option is that you can list your dates as private dates only . The dates of your holidays would not appear on the public platform. Some owners who have privacy concerns do this successfully. With private dates you would need to look for sitters on THS and use the function to send them a private invitation .

https://support.trustedhousesitters.com/hc/en-gb/articles/18985024298909-What-s-the-difference-between-private-public-dates

You could also replace all your photos with a generic picture until you are putting up dates at which time you would need to put proper photos back in the listing.

Have you sought advice on how to deal with the wider issue . Which country are you located ? There are charities and government agencies that can provide support and advice for victims of stalking .

Totally agree @Marion

Yes — all of these, please.

Under the GDPR, consent must be freely given, informed, specific, and unambiguous. Conditioning membership and service access on consent to promotional data use - when such processing is not necessary - would render consent invalid and be unlawful

If you’re a European member, you are in fact entitled to such protection. Under the GDPR, companies are prohibited from engaging in practices that effectively coerce individuals into allowing the use of their personal data for promotional purposes.

Conditioning the access to services and maintenance of membership on such consent would be considered unlawful

So your saying your actual neighbors know your on this site and they are following you and taking screenshots of your activity on THS? Why would someone do this to you? Report it THS and call the police and file a report incase you are gone and your home is broken into. I don’t see why someone would do this unless there’s some type of mental illness .