Should I complain further to trusted house sitters?

We had a sit last year that still haunts me because of how much I misjudged someone’s character and how THS treated us.

Owner seemed lovely and chill, we had good communication and she seemed very nice on call. Quick handover because their house was in chaos with three kids getting ready for a month holiday. It was clean but not spotless. Their pale grey hallway carpet was very stained and heavily threaded with swatches indicating they were replacing it. The cat room/kids playroom was filthy.

We sat for four weeks and fell in love with their dog. We cleaned as we went but did a big clean the final weekend (with a foot injury that I made worse). Left the house very clean with all rubbish gone and fresh cat litter tray.

I wrote a nice review despite there being three big issues which we dismissed because they seemed really nice. Firstly, there was a camera in the living room with a green light on (we naively assumed they weren’t using it because they seemed so relaxed). Secondly, their listing photos were of a beautiful arched ceiling main bedroom with king bed but we weren’t allowed to use this. Our queen mattress in small spare room spilling with their kids clothes was falling apart. Finally , we chose the sit because it has air conditioning but they only had it in the main bedroom which was off limits.

The following Friday evening, we were on holiday having a lovely dinner and their review arrived. Two stars for cleaning. “Our home wasn’t left as we expected and some of our plants were neglected” There were spelling and grammar mistakes indicating they might have been drunk when writing.

To me, a two star review for cleaning indicates that we left a pig sty. Overflowing bins, dirty sinks and toilets etc. This was not the case.at all. I even wiped inside their dirty dishwasher.

I immediately complained to THS saying that this was lies and because there was an undisclosed camera, perhaps they’d heard something they didn’t like within earshot of the camera because we said a couple of times didn’t like their taste and decor choices and may have used the term “more money than taste” - our bad as we should have unplugged the camera but we really felt they were nice and didn’t want to create bad blood between us.

We included a photo we’d taken of the dog that showed a camera with a green light. We also told them that their amenities were falsely advertised. I said this outcome had badly affected us and we were considering cancelling our membership if people can blatantly lie.

THS wrote back saying they’d contracted the HO who gave a more detailed list mentioning the dirty carpet in the hallway (as it was when we arrived), a less than pristine oven (same thing), we’d left a bowl in the garden with some fruit in it (accidental as we were eating outside and it rained heavily), we’d angered their neighbours by sending post there (one mistake, then we spent the rest of the month being the neighbours who took in others post). There were two other small issues such as exercise room equipment not put back in place and BBQ equipment not clean which is how we received it on arrival. Nothing at all that warrants a two star review.

Additionally, THS said that we were welcome to cancel anytime we like and that we should never say negative things about the home owner in their house. I was so taken back and upset I didn’t take it any further.

I just can’t get over THS telling us that we cannot expect to have private conversations on a sit and so blatantly telling us to go ahead and cancel. We’d done 15 five stars sits other than this. We felt so disregarded and scolded.

We had to renew our membership because we had two sits booked but next year we will seriously consider our options. They should not treat customers like this.

(Title edited by the Forum Team for clarity).

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I think it’s worth revisiting. From what I’ve seen in the forums you have to use the magic word “dispute” when complaining and you have to be specific about how the violated the terms of conduct – cameras, and misleading photos. They aren’t going to take down the review. That is a rigid policy and they won’t move. You could follow up with them and ask if the homeowner received any warning or denied the cameras or what the outcome was.

If you didn’t write a comment under their review, you can still do that, but I wouldn’t bring THS into it and would keep things factual. By mentioning the camera in your review, you’ve probably made it much harder for them to sucker in other sitters.

The truth is that both sitters and hosts have had issues with THS member services. You could choose not to renew because you feel betrayed by THS, like they didn’t have your back – because they didn’t. OR you could view THS the way many people view companies they work for or have business with – they are vehicle to get you where you want to go. They have accesss to more sits then other sites and factually the one outlier review with your response is not going to have much effect on your getting future sits.

It’s kind of like if your boss does something at work, and you are never going to trust them again. There still might be enough good things about the job for you not to up and quit the next day, but if you get a better offer, there might not be a reason to stay.

What you can’t do is torture yourself hoping things will change. That is unlikely. You do have control about what sits you take and what you do on future sits – including immediately contacting hosts if you notice any cameras or recording devices.

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I am sorry to hear you had such a negative experience.

I am curious what it is you would like the site to do? I don’t mean that sarcastically, but just as a question to ponder to yourself to get a sense of what you expect here and if it is something realistic?

The thing about not talking badly about the hosts in the home is a bit of an odd thing to say though.

As for the rest, it sounds like part of your upset is based on assumptions that you have no way of knowing are true, such as they probably left you a bad review because they were drunk or because they just have been listening in on you and heard you say something that upset them. It is certainly possible you are correct but it is always helpful to remind ourselves that we actually don’t know for sure.

THS is a matching site and it is not a direct party to the arrangements made between hosts and sitters. Now if THS was directly facilitating these placements, then perhaps they would have a greater responsibility towards the sitters.

They also can’t control what hosts post in the listing, and it was unfortunate that theirs wasn’t accurate as far as the A/C and other elements. So that isn’t really something you can hold against them. The only way to prevent something like this would be having someone vet a host’s home in person before approving their listing.

THS obviously operates on a much larger scale than other housesitting platforms, and they have lots of features others don’t such as the insurance, membership services and the like, but at the end of the day, they are at the core no different from other sites in that they are strictly a matching platform. They just happen to have a lot more bells and whistles. I think sometimes people have unrealistic expectations of what they are able to do when they encounter problems.

I suspect one issue you probably have is that you believe the review should be removed because you seemed to be able to provide proof of certain violations of the terms such as the camera being on. And I know it can seem unfair but from the perspective of the site, I kind of understand their strict policy of not editing or removing reviews except in very rare circumstances.

I imagine it wouldn’t be good for business if people were complaining on Trustpilot, forums and such that the negative reviews they left for their hosts or sitters were altered or removed. The reviews–especially the blind form in which they exist now-- is the primary selling point for a service like this.

If I were you I would just let it go. If you truly feel like you don’t want to use the site anymore, you can cancel your membership. But the idea that bad experiences on either the host or sitter end is somehow unique to THS is not true…anyone can join any of these sites and the risks are the same all around.

Also, I know it can be difficult to leave negative feedback. But the number of posts I see where people complain about a bad sit and then go on to say they left a positive review that didn’t mention any of these things is always surprising.

Ultimately sitters can approach their reviews any way they wish, but doing this just perpetuates the problem. There are ways to talk about challenging aspects of a sit without it necessarily being critical.

For example, you could have mentioned that the bedroom shown in the photos is not the bedroom sitters are offered and it is the only part of the house with the air-conditioning noted in the listing. That is just all pure facts.

It sounds like all your other sits have been positive experiences and that is great. I believe that is the case for most people. I know it is for me the 10 years I have been doing this.

Whatever you decide to do, good luck!

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We are falling about laughing here -
Never have a private conversation on a pet sit?
You were there for a month, what do they expect, whispered conversations in the bathroom with water running? Sign language? I think you definitely need to revisit this and I hope you have screen shot that message. This person you spoke to needs retrained or sacked. That is definitely not THS published policies.
As for the cleaning details. You left it as you found it. What do they expect, a cleaning service as well?
Please don’t give up, these types of sits come around once in a while but aren’t worth giving up a life style you seem to enjoy. Now you know, to unplug anything that looks suspiciously like a camera, ask specific questions about the accommodation and don’t give them leeway just because they seemed nice.

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I’m sorry you had this bad experience.

I think for this platform to work, members should write factual and honest reviews. I’m not sure why one would omit from a review the three things you mention, as they are important and breach of terms regarding camera (if on) and accuracy of listing. Quite misleading and clearly something a sitter want to/ need to know in advance. Would you have taken the sit if you knew is something one can ask oneself writing the review. Some sitters (and hosts) are let down by other members not disclosing in reviews.

The host might or might not have listened in. Possibly could they also expext «a cleaning service» in addition to petsitting. Some do. But the requirement is leave it as it was.

It would be hard for THS to judge who is right or not between two members, and they can’t really start an investigation as such. So the tool would be to use the possibility to answer to the review. That should be used with care so one does not seem petty, vindictive, frantic or :other: . It could be done if you wish to, choosing ones words wisely. As you describe it it might be better not to, as it could be their review reflect mostly on them.

Bad sits or bad things happening in life is a bummer. I’ve come to see it as one is better off getting it to make sense - and if we can take out some learning of sh** that happens, at least some good come out of it. For ourselves or for others sharing the story, like you’ve done.

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I am sorry this happened to you but dont feel alone. We drove 8 hours to a sit that was not at all what we expected to the point that we left and drove 8 miserable hours back home. Needless to say we now have a bad review posted. I was not happy with customer service but had to ask myself, what do I expect them to do? Really just my word vs the owner. I wrote a honest review, they did also from their point of view and we both moved on. But to tell you no private conversations?? That is expecting that the homes have camaras or can listen!! I was not happy with customer service on my situation but i am honestly not sure what i wanted from them…i asked them not to allow the person to post a review on us but again, i am asking someone with no knowledge of the true facts to just take my side…Hopefully your next 2 sits are great and the bad one will fade into the background!!

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This is the jaw dropper!!

What an absolute load of tosh. As @ElsieDownie said, ROFL and some. You say what you want in your own time, on YOUR sit. That agent didn’t know what they were saying so would try and ignore that comment (& maybe revisit it if you think they’ll be “retrained”. As ever, @KC1102 has given you a long, wise, experienced overview on the whole thing. This sit is an exception. We do have to write factual, honest reviews to help other sitters. There are brilliant hosts out there. #wishingyouwell

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Is there something about the Review publishing process that could be improved? What if both parties have an opportunity to read their respective Reviews before they get published? Members would have a private opportunity to resolve any grievances or issues before the review goes public.

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This scenario illustrates why factual, honest reviews are necessary; had the OP detailed the 3 issues encountered and deducted stars accordingly, it would have served as an immediate challenge to the poor review received. The fact that you chose to overlook the problems @Katemarie has sadly set you up for a fall.

Whenever we encounter very dirty conditions (it’s rare, but has occurred) or places which differ from their listing description, we take date-stamped photos on arrival and others when we leave.

It’s clear that youre feeling misjudged and unsupported right now @katemarie and we’d feel the same. It’s nonsense that anyone should advise what sitters can and cannot discuss whilst on a sit, so take that with a pinch of salt!

You’ve done a fair few sits now so you’ll know this isn’t the norm on THS. Going forwards, I’d advise covering your own back a bit more, by taking photos on arrival and always leaving fair, balanced and honest reviews.

Chin-up, don’t let one rotten apple spoil the whole barrel. Learn from this and you’ll become stronger.

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The system was changed about a year ago to “blind” reviews so that they could try and be more honest and helpful @SewerRat so we can’t go back to reading what the other party has said about us/them, before posting them or nothing truthful would be written. If HOs and sitters have good comms they can of course have a private chat offline before posting but that has risks to it for retaliatory behaviour. #bestitgets

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Nothing prevents owners and sitters from doing that if that’s what both parties think is best for them.

I prefer to give private feedback on small issues and/or things that can be easily solved during the sit and write an honest, factual review, giving specific information that can be useful to help other sitters make an informed choice. I don’t think previously negotiated reviews would be helpful for the community.

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Interesting perspectives that I hadn’t considered @Cuttlefish and @Newpetlover thanks for that.

or nothing truthful would be written.

and write an honest, factual review,

Am I naïve in thinking a Sitter in my home taking care of my pets, will not have truthful, honest communication right from the start, irrespective of the review? I would expect especially the big issues, not just small things, to be communicated to me as soon as they arise. Or are people actually primarily “review driven”?

Does this suggest that Sitters and Hosts need to wait for the Review to find out what the other party truly felt of the experience? Is it that people need the protection of a blind process to have the confidence to express their true intentions?

The review process shouldn’t be about

previously negotiated reviews

it should be about people’s welfare and the welfare of the pets. If there’s an issue, prior or during a sitting, people should discuss openly to find a resolution.

To me, the willingness and approach to problem resolution is the more important aspect about the review. Here are two examples, imagine the types of reviews each scenario would garner.

Sitter on Day 1: I found the house dirty upon arrival.
Host A: Sorry for that, I was in rush upon departure. Can I send a Cleaner or buy you dinner or get some cleaning supplies delivered?
Host B: I cleaned the house and I felt it was perfectly fine. Deal with it.

Host on Day 1: I forgot to mention, but can you send me daily pics and updates?
Sitter A: Sure, no problem. I love taking pictures.
Sitter B: We didn’t agree to that and it’s not in your Welcome guide.

@Katemarie, gosh that does not sound great.
Others have commented on THS response. Assuming that you wish to continue housesitting then I’ll provide forward looking ideas in efforts to avoid repetition.

  • Due diligence. A significant portion of the issues may have been identified through questions in a video call prior to sit confirmation. From 30+ housesits, our approach to video calls has evolved from one-directional conversational sales pitch to two-directional targeted exchange. Initially, we spent most call time trying to secure the sit. Now, from experience our sits and this Forum, we ask more questions. Many (not all) red flags can be found upfront and undesirable sits declined.
  • Indoor cameras & recording devices. THS policy is clear. We disconnect any such devices from power supply and reconnect them at end of sit. Heck, we even bought a pen-sized detector device to sweep properties on arrival (probably excessive for most people!)
  • Evidence. Faced with a potential issue (e.g. cleanliness, condition) then take photos at start and end of housesit. We do that. Not share unless needed. But allegations without evidence are not going to end well.
  • Review. “I wrote a nice review despite there being three big issues”. Why? This helps neither THS or other housesitters. Indeed known misrepresentation seems to defy the purpose of review concept. On THS Forum then there is encouragement for fair, objective, specific reviews.
  • Communication. Was the ultimate review a surprise? How much did you communicate with Pet Parents throughout the sit (vs their expectation)? Whatever the situation then major surprises (property, pets, reviews) are rarely a good thing.
  • Action steps. Like @KC1102, I am unsure that resolution you seek. Perhaps other than towards a sense of justice. On THS, you can reply to Pet Parent review. Suggest write carefully and be specific. Suggest raise a formal THS dispute. Then suggest that you take a deep breath and move forwards. Learn. Smile. Faced with a poor review, one housesitter on THS Forum advised the solution to a bad review was to overwhelming it with future positive reviews. Go get’em.
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The biggest thing in all this is “trust your gut”, as is repeated time after time by both sitters and hosts in the sitting life. If it’s not the right fit for both sides (whatever that may be) then don’t agree to it, keep looking @SewerRat (I think you’re a new host). People have different standards, different comms skills, expectations, levels of honesty and reliability and on it goes. Both your scenarios are realistic, it’s just that one is kinder & more decent behaviour. The second one could absolutely be flagged in the sit review but it wouldn’t mean that the sit didn’t go ahead as it breaks no Ts & Cs. #hopethathelps

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I would advise you to put this one bad experience behind you and move on. Try and focus on the many great experiences you have had, and will have in the future.
I suppose lessons learnt for the future are:

  • if the house is dirty on arrival, photograph this.
  • If there is an internal camera turn it off and report this to THS.
  • Always leave an honest review. You are commenting on factual things, and nice owners do not negate a dirty house, internal camera and misleading listing.
    Good luck for your future sits.
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Hi. Sorry you’ve had such a bad experience, but I hope you can take a deep breath and focus on all the wonderful sits you have had. I believe cameras, disclosed or not, inside the house are against THS rules? As for the review, I hope you made use of the fact you can reply to the poor review you were given? I’m not sure there is a lot THS can do unless they can remove the review for you? You’ve got 2 more sits lined up so hopefully you’ll be back to 5 star reviews and this one blip will not affect you in the future. If you feel the need to mention it when applying, you could use the wonderful phrase used by HM Queen Elizabeth “recollections may vary”. It’s a dispute that’s never going to be resolved, so take a deep breath and chalk it up to experience. Hope you have a great time on your next sit.

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Great quote :blush:

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It sucks learning lessons the hard way. Every sit has taught us something though our lessons have been gentler than yours.
I’ve come to believe HOs and sitters should photograph or video the premises on departure/arrival and vice versa. Photos and videos are hard to dispute by either party.
It’s also necessary to honestly review a sit. Had you reviewed the house honestly and fully (rather than opting for inoffensive and nice), the HO’s review would have carried less weight. And you should have been given the opportunity to respond to their rating with your details.

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I’m so sorry you went thru this. I have had over 20 sits and 4 horrible sitters.
I decided to write honest reviews. I had one couple that they thought I should have given them my vehicle-heck no.
I have been taken aback by 4 reviews, the rest are 5 star.
I would take pictures upon arrival if it is not what is advertised.

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I would alert TH that their listing is dishonest showing pictures of the master bedroom where you are not allowed and advertising air conditioning that you can’t use.

I am both a homeowner and a petsitter. I would never invite a sitter to my home and limit usage of heat, air conditioning, gas fireplace, etc. I want the sitters to enjoy themselves as they are taking care of my beloved pet for free. You were treated disrespectfully. I don’t think the review will harm your chances in the long run. You should reply to their poor review that you left the house cleaner than you found it and that you don’t believe the rating accurately reflects that.

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